Midseason Mock NFL Draft

Posted on October 31, 2007. Filed under: Football, NFL Draft |

So the Miami Dolphins are officially guaranteed a top 5 pick the way this season is going, and all I keep talking about is this year’s draft. Wouldn’t you, if you were a Phins Fan? This is by NFL.com’s league standings right now.

 

Here is a very rough breakdown of Rd 1:

 

  1. St. Louis Rams- Glenn Dorsey, DT LSU
  2. Miami Dolphins- Jake Long, OT, Michigan
  3. New York Jets- Calais Campbell, DE, Miami
  4. Atlanta Falcons- Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville
  5. New England(via San Francisco)- Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas
  6. Oakland Raiders- Chris Long, DE, Virginia
  7. Minnesota Vikings- Andre Woodson, QB, Kentucky
  8. Cincinnati Bengals- Kenny Phillips, S, Miami
  9. Houston Texans- Sam Baker OT USC
  10. Chicago Bears- Matt Ryan, QB, BC
  11. Philadelphia Eagles- Gosder Cherilus OT BC
  12. New Orleans Saints- Malcolm Jenkins, CB, OSU
  13. Denver Broncos- Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC
  14. Buffalo Bills- Frank Okam, DT, Texas
  15. Arizona Cardinals- James Laurinitis, ILB OSU
  16. Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Dennis Dixon, QB, Oregon
  17. Washington Redskins- Quentin Groves, DE Auburn
  18. Seattle Seahawks- Jonathon Stewart, RB, Oregon
  19. San Diego Chargers- DeSean Jackson, WR, Cal
  20. Kansas City Chiefs- Ryan Clady OT Boise St.
  21. Dallas Cowboys (via Browns-Quinn’07)- Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona
  22. Carolina Panthers- Reggie Smith, CB Oklahoma
  23. Baltimore Ravens- Tommy Blake, TCU, DE
  24. Tennessee Titans- Limas Sweed, WR Texas
  25. Pittsburgh Steelers- Mike Jenkins S. Fla, CB 
  26. Jacksonville Jaguars- Colt Brennan, Hawaii
  27. Detroit Lions- Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida
  28. New York Giants- Dan Conner, OLB Penn State
  29. Green Bay Packers- Mike Hart, RB, Michigan
  30. Dallas Cowboys- Terrell Thomas, CB USC
  31. San Francisco(via Indy)- Adarius Bowman, WR Okla St.
  32. New England Patriots- Ali Highsmith, OLB LSU

 Tell me what you think…I’m sure I will get some criticism on the Steelers pick.

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Things I Like…
-Cardinals getting Little Animal
-Packers getting Hart

Thing I Don’t Like…
-New England having an early-round pick
-Steelers taking a CB

I don’t think it’s a big deal for the Steelers to take a CB, but I would prefer to see the team address its O-Line depth concerns. Maybe a guy like Tony Hills, the OT from Texas? I don’t know? Again, it’s certainly not a bad idea, just not one that I personally prefer.

Yo Wells, fantastic idea. So huge. I don’t necessarily agree on the Steelers pick, either, but it’s the end of the first round, you’re not a fan, and it’s Halloween so I can’t criticize at all.

Where to begin?!? This is like the 2006 NBA Draft, the year before Greg Oden, only this is the year before Tim Tebow!

Dolphins and Rams seem like they shouldnt be THIS bad. Even though you usually want something sexy at the top it seems to make sense for these teams to add talent in the trenches. Chris Long might end up making more sense for the 3-4 Jets but Campbell is big, therefore I don’t really know if he can play the needed technique or not. Long seems absolutely perfect for the Patriots but I agree, Pats could take Brian Brohm let alone DMac. Will be very interesting to see how the QB’s pan out. Just the fact that five are mentioned now in the first round is intriguing. Vikings adding offensive talent around AD is real sweet. Laurinitis to Cards is definitely sweet and I might have to love any team that drafts JStew and DeSean. Still can’t believe how well the Cowboys manipulated last year’s draft. They traded for an extra first rounder this year but still ended up with Anthony Spencer last year in the 1st. Derrick Harvey to the Lions is awesome. Always tough to project what underclassman will enter. I think you could see about 10-15 more names on this list that are Juniors.

As for Steelers, I’d like to segue this onto the Burgh page so we can really have a good discussion, but I think in my opinion it’s impossible to think our two biggest needs aren’t WR and OL. In fact, the only other thing I could see is OL and OL but I’d rather not do that. I will admit, if there’s a 3rd position out there that fits the “Well if there’s a guy that’s too good to pass up at this position we’ll take him” it’s at CB, which is why I’m fine with Wells’ pick. I’m very against HAVING to take a big wr but I back that up by saying if all things are equal I’d love a big WR. Jimmy Hardy definitely comes to mind as does Malcolm Kelly. I don’t want to turn this too much into a Pittsburgh thing, though, so I’ll copy and paste and hopefully get an actual discussion going.

I’d love Slaton besides Brandon Jacobs in New York. If I’m guessing I’m guessing Mike Hart doesn’t end up being a first round pick. Runs such a physical style and isn’t a big guy. Maybe he’ll be successful in the right system, but I’m just guessing underclassman will pass him up.

Wells HUGE

Quick thoughts:

-Stewart can be the next MJD. Along those lines I don’t think we can rule out any teams taking a running back early anymore. Not too many teams would consider a young hungry #2 back a luxury right now. Even on teams with a great feature back, a complimentary guy would get as many looks as most 2nd receivers. A weapon’s a weapon for me. In the win-now NFL a guy like McFadden who can come in immediately, return kicks, and get a few catches and carries every game at a minimum. In my mind it’s tough to pass that up for a project DL. (not referring to anyone in particular)

-Hardy came to mind right away for me too. Maybe it’s the Big Ten 6′5″ thing that reminds me of the Ben-Plax chemistry. But then I think of Ben-Hines and Ben-Holmes and Ben-random TE chemistry, and………no I still want to surround him with sick weapons anyway. I’ll continue these thoughts elsewhere.

-From what I hear Ryan has passed Woodson and Brohm somewhat definitively in some people’s minds. A lot can change, but my main point is in regards to Brohm. In my opinion if your NFL stock is on the rise as a junior, you gotta go. I’m not that familiar with Brohms actual situation, but he just sticks out as the latest “obvious” top pick coming into the year who’s stock has fallen somewhat. Leinart spent one of his peak earning years working for free and then ended up with a drastically reduced rookie deal. They’ll both be fine (I guess), but the guys who really need to capitalize are the Stewarts of the world. Here’s a guy who could tear up a knee next year and be a 3rd rounder in ‘09. All first round juniors should come out in my opinion.

Deano, huge as always. Hardy’s like 6′7″ and ultra-productive. But yet, more on Burgh I’m sure.

I’ve had a huge man crush on Jonathan Stewart for well over a year now. He’s so sweet. I agree with your point, though. Actually a couple of your points. Having as much offense, or talent for that matter, as possible cannot be a bad thing. I think too many of “us” think in terms of fantasy football anymore. But in reality, having two stud RB’s that split carries, give multiple looks and are constantly fresh is a great thing. It’s of course nice when they are complete complements (think Deuce and Bush) but I also think that the Dolphins could take McFadden and then worry about how to involve two amazing rb’s later. The glaring trouble is obviously that these teams in the top 5 don’t have just one need and their biggest need certainly isn’t a 2nd RB. But it’s good thought and discussion. Stewart taking over for Alexander would be eerily similar to Alexander taking over for Ricky Watters. And guys like Slaton and Hart, you want to say they can’t carry the load, but then you realize they don’t have to.

I used to think QB’s, or all players really, should stay in college. But the more I think about it, it seems like most NFL Rookie QB’s seem like they usually need a year in the NFL no matter what the circumstance. Look at John Beck this year. He’s 26 and the Dolphins don’t want to “rush him.” Matt Leinert stayed for his senior year but wasn’t rushed into a starting gig as a rookie. I feel like if he came out his Junior year, the exact same scenario would have played out. You can of course point to Big Ben, but let’s remember he was 3rd string that year. I do believe if you got it you got it, but that can be a point to coming out as a Junior and being the man regardless anyway.

Dean wrote about stock and I agree but that’s more of a personal thing. I kinda hate that the thought process is “Well i might suck next year so I might as well enter the draft and make a team pay me a lot more than they should this year” but that is how it goes and you can’t blame them.

Running backs is another theory. I really don’t think it’s a good thing when a Senior starts all 4 years and averages 25 carries a game throughout his career. I think teams would much rather get their hands on a guy that’s played for 3 years and not had quite the workload. Maybe once again if you’re good you’re good, but I think it makes teams think twice.

For the record though, Brohm’s stock might not actually be worse. Last year Quinn didn’t even go in the top 20. Brohm could have gone before him but not much earlier. I think the reason it seems like Brohm’s stock fell is because when he stayed he seemed like he suddenly became the unanimous #1 player. Now if he ends up 10-25 it might be right around where he woulda gone anyway.

Yea I agree with all that. Like I said regarding the Brohm thing, I wasn’t sure if he was the right example, but he’s who made me think of the topic. I think youre probably right about him and his stock.

The QB issue is just how you said it. If you’re the man, you’re the man, so why not start learning the pro game and get paid for it?

Running back durability is also important to think about.

Dean as far as draft stocks are concerned, I agree that Ryan might be the top QB on the board right now. However, when I broke it down I think that most people expect Petrino and Brohm to re-unite in Atlanta, and if you look at where Childress has had success at QB(Mcnabb) you can’t help but think he’d like Woodson.

As far as I’m concerned and I agree with Haver, it’s sick that the Pat could take ANYONE on the board, wouldn’t need him necessarily and just continue to dominate.

It’s funny you guys brought up a big WR for the Steelers, because I thought about it for a second and immediately just thought CB/OL. Now as for the WR debate, you guys bring up getting a big wr for Big Ben, but don’t u think your team misses Randel El as much as Plax?

Gald I was able to get you guys going on this one.

I definitely miss Randle El quite a bit- not as much as Burress, but El was a significant loss nonetheless. I personally don’t believe that we need the typical XYZ receiver trio that consists of the prototypical big deep guy, steady possession guy, and quick slot guy. That’s always ideal I suppose, but give me guys with the tools and skills over the missing receiver archetype any day. As long as your guys get open and catch the ball I don’t think it really matters what they look like. What I’m getting at is that when the draft comes around I’ll be happy to get a guy who reminds me of Plax, Hines, or El, as long as he’s the best player left. If Hardy is on the board and the front office loves him that’s great. But I wouldn’t hesitate to take a Santonio Holmes clone instead if they have him rated a shade higher. Ben is a special QB. He has a style and skill set that are uniquely his, making for an offensive flow that turns Heinz Field into a back yard. I want to surround Ben with the guys you’d want in a backyard football game- guys who can lineup anywhere and just get things done. You know how on 3rd and 5 you just get a little more comfortable when Hines gets a toss, or a shovel, or even when you see Ben turn to his side and start to throw? I want more players that make you feel like Hines does. It’s a quality that’s hard to indentify, but it means so much more than height, 40 time, or anything else.

Quick question: what’s the link between Woodson and McNabb?

Plaxico is one of my 5 favorite Steelers of all time and I was never a big Randle El fan, so I’ll even say to take it with a grain of salt when I say that I miss Plax 1000x more than Randle El. In my honest opinion, it was certainly a fantastic LUXURY to have a player like Randle El, a guy that could catch, run, throw and return. But I think it’s a NECESSITY having a beast of a wr like Plaxico.

Anyway, maybe my words got mixed up a little in the midst of everything but I did say, “I’m very against HAVING to take a big wr but I back that up by saying if all things are equal I’d love a big WR.” Maybe the end part confused you a little, but I simply meant that if two guys were the same it’d of course be nice to have a big AND great WR. I have nothing against and in fact like big wr’s. But am very against the feeling like “because we have two smaller wr’s we HAVE to take a big one.” I went on to say on the Burgh page that I’d LOVE DeSean Jackson. Give me the BEST wr possible, no matter the size.

I believe the comparison between McNabb and Woodson is that Brad Childress is the current coach of Minnesota. He was the offensive coordinator in Philadelphia with McNabb. If he’s picking a QB he might like to try to get one like McNabb and therefore like Woodson. One thing I must add (that shocks me and Raible) is that Woodson is not a running quarterback. Think Chris Leak. He does seem smooth in the pocket and still might be the most fluent of the first round QB’s, though.

Plax was and is definitely a better WR than El. But with the way that each was used throughout the entire game (special teams included), an argument could certainly be made that El meant more to the Steelers than Plax. It wasn’t until Plax left town, in fact, that the Steelers won the Super Bowl. Nevertheless, I prefer Plax to El.

Basically the Steelers should draft Owen Schmitt this year and Pat White next year, turn him into a WR, and have the sweetest team ever!

Trying to get back to the draft (although I expect and demand my previous thoughts to be commented on)………..

For the life of me I couldn’t think of why the Niners had the Colts first round pick. So incredibly huge that they do, with not having their own. I found it. The Colts gave up a 2007 4th rounder and 2008 first rounder for the Niners 2007 2nd round pick, #42 overall, to draft Tony Ugoh. Between trades like that, the Cowboys having an extra first this year, the Pats having a potential top 10 pick it just exemplifies my feelings that trading for future picks is the greatest thing in the world. The value is unbelievable.

Just a reminder, and correct me if I’m wrong, but the Pats will not have their first round pick this year due to the scandal.

You know who’s a really intriguing prospect? Brian Robiskie. Not saying he’ll come out but he is eligible. He’s 6′3, emerged this season, from a school that produces good WR’s, has a father with a successful NFL pedigree and the best part…….he’s only 19 years old. He will turn 20 in December but nonetheless is a really young player.

I’m all about a team getting a stud QB and it being by far the most important position on the field so I love Andre Woodson to the Vikings but just to throw something else out there, how sweet would DeSean Jackson to the Vikings be?!?!?

Speaking of sweet, but glad it didn’t happen for division purposes, could you imagine the Browns right now if they drafted Peterson over Joe Thomas? Quinn/Anderson, Peterson, Braylon and Winslow. Wow.

The fact that the Broncos spent their first 3 picks in 07 on Dlineman and still need a DT probably isn’t a good thing.

I’m a big Denny Dixon fan but the way he throws the ball I’d be kinda surprised if he goes in the first round. Would love if he did, though. He’s a tough guy to gauge.

I feel there is an abnormal amount of bigtime TE’s in the college game. Maybe it’s because of college fantasy football and I paid attention to them more. Maybe it’s because people are just bigger than they used to be. But it really seems like a lot of good ones out there.

Senior RB’s are horrible. Matt Forte seems pretty sweet, though.

Pat White…well, that’s another story. He’s the man!

I think New England’s 1st round pick is gone due to the Cheater, but the pick they have at #5 via San Fran, I would guess, is still good. I hate the Patriots!

OK, wasn’t sure if they had definitely lost that pick or not and I’m happy they did. nI echo the sentiment that them potentially having a top-10 pick is ridiculous when you look at how good they are now, but who knows, that might just stir the pot a bit come draft day because they will have the luxury of moving down and probably still getting a guy they are high on.

Haver pretty much hit the Woodson/McNabb nail on the head. McNabb obciously has the extra tool in his legs, but when you watch both of these guys in the pocket, they are very similar QB’s. I don’t know why, but I’m not the biggest De’Sean Jackson fan. I feel like he is that X-Factor type of player, but when it boils down to it he’s not really a great WR. What pains me, is that he is probably better than GINN.

As far as the Broncos are concerned, they are last in the league in rush defense, so they are obviously missing a piece somewhere. Naturally I assumed up the middle, which might not mean DT. They moved DJ Williams from OLB to ILB once they let Al Wilson walk and I think that he’s not naturally cut out for that position, or that he’s really just being underutilized there. So maybe a guy like Conner or Laurinitis might be a better fit for the Mile High Boys.

It’s so hard to predict these things when you take into account underclassmen and the combine, but as far as senior prospects go, this is really not an attractive year.(Of course the Dolphins HAD to be horrible)

The Plax/EL debate could go on forever. What it really boils down to with me as an outsider…Plax seemed like a great WR, but a horrible teammate. EL was the consumate teammate,and had the intangibles but lacked the size. You were successful with both, but EL came up huge in your run to the Super Bowl. Hines Ward is getting older. So you really just need to find a consistent WR that Ben can build a rapport with. Whether it’s a guy like Jackson or a guy like Hardy, I think you guys will be alright especially because you still have a couple more solid years from Hines who can continue to tutor the young players you bring in.

ya I meant the patriots actual pick, not the pick they acquired.

I stated my difference in randle el bein a luxury and plax a necessity. ill also say the big difference is while they were both great with us Plax is worth the money he wanted and randle el is not.

I wasn’t questioning the broncos selection, moreso saying they tried to solve their problem and clearly haven’t.

wells out of curiosity how much have u watched desean play? how many highlites have u seen? what do u base him not being a good wr off of? I think he’s a great actual receiver and has been ever since the day he got to campus.

More on the Burress El-thing:

-I think Burress was a lot better than El, helped us win more games, and was much closer to being a good investment for us when he walked. But I do miss the 3rd and 5 catches, reverses, passes, and returns that El brought to the table.

-I don’t think Burress was a nessecity, mainly because we won a Super Bowl without him, and because besides the Colts, the last several SB champs have lacked an elite receiver or an uncoverable big man.

-My XYZ point wasn’t a direct response to anyone’s comments. In general you hear a lot about how certain receivers would be perfect in a certain scheme or next to a certain star because he fits a certain mold. I think there’s something to that, but I also think 3 Harrisons or Holts would be a better wr core than a trio of prototypical X,Y, and Z receivers that were all a hair below elite. I’m just pointing out that this is how I approach the draft. I think we all agree that (whenever we do take a wideout)we want the best guy regardless of style, and also that, while all else is never really equal, if it would be then a guy in the Plax mold would be awesome.

On the other stuff (by the way if I could bring back one Steeler FA lost in the last 20 years it would be Burress):

-I agree with Wells that the Steelers don’t really need a receiver that desperately. Weapons on either side of the ball are the most fun to analyze and eventually have your team draft, but the Steelers have done a good job of building the team from the trenches out in the past, and it wouldn’t kill me to see them focus on the line and the D this spring and worry about WR later. One thing I would’ve liked is to sign a mid-level free agent WR at some point (like Kevvin Curtis) but the price tag has been a little steep I think. Ced Wilson is worse, but much cheaper and at least gets the job done mostly. That paragraph was painful to type.

-Ideally I think we should sign Dallas Clark to play receiver, draft Owen, trade for Brian Leonard, run out Heath and Spaeth with them, and change the team name to Pale Wave.

-Broncos really seemed to make a commitment to defense in the draft, and that’s what has to be frustrating for them. The obviously see the value of athletes and the pass rush, with Elvis (a pick I loved), Moss, DJ, etc. But they forgot about the quiet anchor of the great defenses- the middle triangle. Whether it’s Hampton-Farrior-Foote or Stroud-Henderson-Peterson, you need a baddass inside triangle to play serious D in the NFL.

-ok quick break-

I had a feeling someone would take necessity too literal. Obviously Plaxico Burress isn’t a “necessity” or the only team that would have won the last 10 Super Bowls are the Steelers and Giants. Couldn’t really think of a better word but was hoping I wouldn’t have to. Plax is a #1 or #2 WR, Randle El is a #3 WR. Top notch 1’s and 2’s are more important than a top notch #3 and without the top notch #1 and #2 you’re #3 is forced to become a #2 and isn’t great. I feel like I’m saying the same things over and over but if people continue to not understand I’ll continue to do so. I don’t even know why we’re still talking about it so I apologize. As I’ve said before, I want the best WR possible and Plax was a better WR than Randle El. It’s also probably easily to find a great wr than it is to find the next Randle El, who really is a unique player.

Didn’t mean to derail the discussion, haha. I probably should’ve seen that coming. What I should’ve said was that in looking at the teams who have contended recently (Steelers, Pats, Eagles, etc., really the non-Colts), I think receiving core is the unit that’s been easiest to overlook and get away with it. I know you didn’t mean anyone is literally a nessecity. My point (which I didn’t explain so it’s on me) is that a top receiver is a lot closer to a luxury than a nessicity- but it’s a luxury I love to have. I’m ready to get after another topic if everyone else is….

Ya seems like we’re talking about two different things there.

Gotta get Felix Jones into the RB talk. There are a TON of good Junior RB’s.

When I look at all of the WR’s that could enter I think this year’s crop could be better than we’ve been expecting.

I probably am overboard with my DeSean Jackson talk but I was watching the game last night and my boy Petros Papadakis said that Jackson has only been single covered twice this year, against Oregon and against UCLA. In those two games he had a combined 20 catches, 297 yards and 4 tds.

Had to like South Florida CB Mike Jenkins’ hit yesterday.

I’m not sure how much it will hurt his draft stock but Tommy Blake has only played 3 games this year and has 1 sack. Quentin Groves has 3 sacks and 2 were in his first game. Calais Campbell has 5.5, Derrick Harvey 6.5, and Vernon Gholston 6. Chris Long has an outstanding 11. I think George Selvie is a redshirt Junior and he looks like an absolute stud. I’d also love if he left.

I doubt this is true but I worry that Glenn Dorsey won’t be able to dominate in the NFL like he does now.

I was thinking the same thing about Dorsey, weird that you mentioned it. I’m not completely sure why, but I keep thinking he might need to be part of a rotation to really be explosive.

Ya real weird. I think it’s because he doesn’t look that big…not big arms, not very tall. Also already wears a knee brace. It doesn’t seem like he has any super human qualities like a Warren Sapp or a Tommie Harris and doesn’t have the size of a Albert Haynesworth or Marcus Stroud. His numbers at the combine will be something I’m interested in seeing, as he could be incredibly strong or fast for all I know.

Before someone corrects me on something I already know, I meant to say I think that George Selvie is a redshirt sophomore. I know he’s listed as a sophomore but think he redshirted, which would make him draft eligible.


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